1. gamer9898 wrote:
With all that happened in this rather packed episode, I believe the most important thing said throughout the entire episode was desmonds line to charlie "by my last count you have killed more of them than they have of you". This lends support to any number of theories from desmond being an other to the others being the real good guys as ben told michael on the docks at then end of season 2. I think that line could go down as extremely telling in the next 4 weeks
2. shoebad wrote:
quick and to the point..
1) why didn't juliet (and the others) know about sun's history -her affair- yet knows about everyone else? (actually.. now that i think about it, juliet probably played dumb..)
2) surprised to see mikhail not take off swiftly with the phone when jin went after him the second time around.. one thought- he had quickly made a phone call/signal before the group caught up with him.
3) the explosion of "strong swimmers" on the island makes me wonder about kate (and sawyer), juliet (and goodwin), and even rose (and bernard).
4) and has anyone noticed that on the island day quickly becomes night and night quickly becomes day?? this weird scenario happened several times with the most recent being sun and juliet's trek to the staff station and coming out in broad daylight -not dawn.
5) lastly, with mikhail coming back to life and implying the portuguese woman will recover in a day says something about the healing nature of the island AND about the characters that got hurt/died in the past seasons.
3. okgirl_ok wrote:
Wait, I've been thinking about this. let's not sell Juliet short on her deception abilities. She totally lied to Sun about the father. Why wouldn't she? She left a message to Ben that said the same news she'd given Sun, but if that was true, she's not getting off that island, baby. She'd want to tell Sun the same thing so her story would be able to corroborate. BUT, if she found out that Sun got pregnant OFF the island and LIED about it, then her experience about Claire would tell her- since the baby survived - she can settle her deal with Ben and get her butt gone. She's just making it look like she's fixing the problem and setting herself up to "Save" Sun from the island's conception-death problem.
Forger those others and that they still won't be able to get pregnant, she's every woman for herself. Plus the double bonus of getting to make Sun very happy about Jun being the father.
Why would Juliet say anything other than that Sun got pregnant on the island? She needs to prove that hero factor to everyone - otherwise, she's stuck there, baby.
4. psychoitaliano wrote:
Alright, here we go with a theory: The Losties were not on the correct plane. Those particular people were directed to the plane they were on for a purpose. They are all connected, that's why they are all on the plane together. The people on the island were not told ahead of time what was happening because it is still an experiment to see how these people would react to one another.
5. empirekiller wrote:
I thought of this theory a couple of weeks agao, and tonight's episode brought it to mind again.
What if the "power" the island has to heal is the same "power" that kills pregnant women? Think about it this way... What is cancer, in its simplest terms? It is a quickly growing mass of cells that is foreign to the body.
What is pregnancy, in its most simple terms? It is a quickly growing mass of cells that is foreign to the body.
The "power" that keeps cancer from forming cannot keep a pregnancy from happening, because it is introduced from outside the woman's body, whereas cancer happens completely within the body. So since the "growth" cannot be prevented, the "power" winds up killing the host (woman).
This leads to aonther thought. People are healed through regeneration (again rapidly growing cells) and the mens' "little soldiers" are 5 times higher. Again, rapidly reproducing cells.
OK, so this is a lot more confusing than I first thought, but I do believe that it is somehow all related. (But my head hurts now.)
7. mikepcfl wrote:
Some people have skirted around it, but not come out and said it. If The Others or Dharma faked the plane wreckage to convince the world all the passengers of 815 were dead, they can never let anyone off the island. There is no way they would let Jack leave and there is no way that Michael and Walt made it home.
8. glennotronic wrote:
I think of Suns father looking at her & saying " We don't live in a world where no one asks questions. " In deed my friend & the proof is on this board .
Well I guess Hurley has taken Lockes "Why am I doing this stupid suspicious stuff award"
1) shooting the flare of in the air
2) asking trivial questions when the other three ,Charlie, Desmond, & Gin are trying to save the tree girl
3) telling Patchy everything the tree girl had on her
Might be nothing but when they first found the bag in the tree last week . Someone asked What is this ? Hurley confidently said it's a satelite phone. This week he referred to it as some computer phone-thing-a-ma-jiggy . It would suck if he were bad . He does have the best lines .
9. borderpoet wrote:
OK...stick with me here, but it seems that a few of you have either forgotten (or never saw) some of the JPEGs of documents and newspapers that were hidden all over those websites we were all scouring a year or two back. Several of them are of particular interest as we consider why Oceanic 815 could have been "found" with no survivors:
1) One JPEG, a National Air Safety Commission "Brief of Incident" from Washington, DC, says the following at the report's conclusion: "An Oceanic Airlines Boeing 777-200LR departed Sydney Australia (SYD) at 2:55 pm on September 22, 2004, enroute to Los Angeles, CA. The flight was a scheduled passenger flight (Flight #815) with 352 passengers and a crew of 2. Air Traffic Control reported Flight 815 disappearing from radar, and radio contact was lost with the aircraft approx 6 hours after departure. No trace was found of the aircraft or crew after intense search and rescue efforts. The aircraft is presumed to have crashed into the Pacific Ocean with complete loss of aircraft, passengers and crew."
2) Another JPEG, allegedly a memo from the U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration, dated as 'Completed Nov 17 2004,' is addressed to a Mr. Doug Lavin, the Assistant Administrator for International Aviation, Federal Aviation Administration, and has as its subject line "Notification of cease of investigation of OA Flight 815." It has four numbered sections. Here they are: "1. This is in response to the referenced letter from the Department of Defense requiring immediate suspension and discontinuation of all investigations into the crash of US bound Oceanic Flight 815. As stated in reference, due to ongoing classified practices occurring in the suspected crash location, the DOD has denied access citing 'National Security.' At this time, we have suspended all investigations. 2. Defense contractor, HANSO, currently working in the restricted area will continue the investigation and forward all unclassified information to FAA. Before departing Fiji, any and all documents pertaining to the investigation will be handed over to the aforesaid contractor. 3. As of now, the cause of the failure leading to the crash of 815 is unknown. Mechanical records do not indicate any known problems with the aircraft. The 815 airplane had less than 23,000 miles flying time, the other under 42,000 hours. A weather anomaly in the area when radio and radar contact were lost is the most likely cause of complications leading to the event. 4. In view of the circumstances listed above, we consider that no further investigative action be required by FAA, excepting further information from the DOD. The cause of the incident of OA 815 should be determined as unknown and all case files closed and sealed."
3) Two other JPEGs--to thicken the plot a bit--were of articles that supposedly appeared on the front page of the Sydney Morning Herald on the November 18, 2005, and November 23, 2005, issues respectively. The first, entitled "Oceanic curse strikes again?" speaks of fishermen "in the vicinity of Funafuti, the the Tuvalu islands north of Fiji" who "reported witnessing an Oceanic jumbo jet in apparent trouble and crashing into the ocean. Witnesses say the jet was an Oceanic airliner and flying too low and was in obvious trouble." The article goes on to say that Oceanic and the Sydney air control both say that all aircraft are accounted for and none are missing. The second article speaks of rescuers actually finding wreckage at the site despite official claims that no planes were missing, but the wreckage appears to be that of Oceanic N518OA, a B747 that had been reported missing in November 2000. The article then goes on to say, "Our reporter indicates that there is a possibility that the wreckage found may be that of the aircraft lost in 2000, and that the aircraft seen going down on Tuesday may in fact be a different aircraft, however the wreckage found includes several small floating pieces of debris that could not possibly be from a five year old crash."
At any rate, it would seem that in light of these documents that people shouldn't necessarily head back to the purgatory theory. What is more likely is that the Hanso Foundation and the Department of Defense are indeed involved in a cover-up, one that isn't entirely working.
10. Nexus-6 wrote:
borderpoet had the right idea - look at the documents on the LOST sites that were put up when all this started. The memo from the Department of Defense to the Federal Aviation Administration shows HANSO was the one and only organization allowed to continue the search for wreckage or survivors. They could have put out any cover story they wanted to.
The whole thing about the US government being somehow involved in the cover up makes perfect sense when it comes to parachute girl. She was in military style jump suit and helmet and probably flying in a military -supplied chopper.
My theory - parachute girl was part of a mission to reach the island and contact the Others after communications went down (the satelite dish).
Just look at Patchy's expression when he runs through the jungle and reaches the group. He is totally shocked to see the guys - he expected parachute girl and assumed she had set off the flair.
And the theory of the week:
Matrix_Theory wrote:
This is going to be long, so I apologize ahead of time; but this will be worth reading. I have migrated away from my previous ‘bio-dome’ theory, over to a new one that I’m developing. I think that what we will eventually find this all to be will be very much like the Matrix. I know this theory has been bounded about previously, but I want to get away from people thinking that it’s exactly like the Matrix, and know that what I’m saying is just that it’s similar. Hear me out. Back when Rose and Bernard went to the faith healer in an attempt to heal her cancer, he told them about certain places on Earth with unimaginable healing power, but that his little area was just not strong enough to heal her. I think we were being misdirected by the writers, to subscribe to the whole ‘bio-dome’ idea, where the Hanso foundation may have found the be-all-end-all place on Earth with a wealth of this mysterious, electromagnetic healing power; and for the sake of “saving humanity” they set up the Dharma Initiative on this island for research and development. They also misdirected us to believe that it may be somewhere near the North / South Pole, or underwater even, with an elaborate entry and exit process, somehow protected from its original surrounding elements and tempered for human existence. But now, I am almost certain that the island is not a physical place, but a virtual reality “program” developed by the Dharma Initiative, and that the island’s inhabitants are actually “jacked in”, if you will. The Juliette back-story, where we learn about her submarine trip to the island... I believe that trip to have been completely staged. And equally suspicious, was Desmond’s arrival, where he simply started gaining consciousness on the beach without any recollection of how he got there. I would bet anything that we find out that those facades, and Lock blowing up the sub, have absolutely nothing to do with getting to and leaving the “island” except for the fact that that is what Ben and the others (I’ll get back to them in a minute) want Juliette and the 815’ers to believe. It has become increasingly clear that the Hanso/Dharma mission statement of “saving humanity” is meant to be taken in more of a spiritual and emotional way, rather than in a physical way like healing diseases, yadda, yadda. I think this “program” was specifically designed to do just that - help to heal people in a spiritual and emotional way, and if you think about it, it is doing exactly that. Then, much like the purgatory theories, once you resolve your issues, you “die” - but all you’re really doing is exiting the program - and I am certain that Boone, Shanon, Ecko, Anna Lucia, etc. are still alive in the “real world”. This also explains how Mikhail was able to “die” and get jacked back in and how, now that Charlie has conquered his demons, the “program” is trying to “kill” him. I think that the whole “Catch-22” reference is pointing out the fact that, once you’re in the program, you have to “die” to “live” (or more to the point, get back to the real world). I think that Penny’s dad, having Hanso affiliations, knew about the program, and what it was intended to be able to do, and saw the perfect opportunity to have the love of his daughter’s life loaded in, and made into a better person, more suited for his daughter. Now back to the others. I think that a select few of them are in on the fact that it’s a program and not reality, allowing them strength and abilities at the maximum of their human capacity (much like the agents in the Matrix); their purpose being to manage the test subjects, and the program itself, from within. Our beloved 815’ers were methodically selected and subliminally herded, if you will, on to flight 815 for the sole reason of being able to stage the crash so no one would question their disappearances, and allow Hanso/Dharma the spiritually deficient test subjects they needed for their program; which is why parachute-girl heard on the news in the real world that the wreckage of 815 was found and that there was no survivors. This all also lends credence to the fact that Aaron was the first baby ever born (in reality) while the mother’s consciousness was inside “the program”, and he was subsequently able to be jacked in and exist in the program with her. On the other hand, when the conception occurs in the “program”, the baby can’t ever be born, because there is no tangible “real life” being created that can then get jacked in and continue on in the program; so the mother “dies” to enable her exit from the program. I have so many other supporting facts, but I’m tired of typing. Peace.
